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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby MMStingray54 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:42 pm

Uncle Fiesta wrote:Whenever I watch that clip, I always wonder, when Hank comes back on at the end, if he is saying,

"May I have your guitar back now?"


It's a very funny sketch in my view. But I never understand why people say this about 'Cliff's guitar' - my understanding has been he bought it for Hank - and thus gave it to him originally? Fact is that Hank eventually preferred the tone of the rosewood board Strats once he got his hands on them (mellow and deeper sounding) and in any case 34346 suffered from string rattle issues - hence the paper stuffed in the string ends.
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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby JimN » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:45 pm

Didier wrote:When I saw the Shadows at the Paris Olympia in 1961, Bruce was playing a silmilar Tele, I saw it with my own eyes, while Hank was playing the red Strat and Jet a sunburst PB. All had unmiked Vox AC30.

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We have spoken of this before, Didier.

I seem to remember that you said it was late in the year, about November. If I have recalled that correctly, it would make it 1960 rather than 1961. By November 1961, all sorts of changes had occurred.
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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby JimN » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:47 pm

MMStingray54 wrote:It's a very funny sketch in my view. But I never understand why people say this about 'Cliff's guitar' - my understanding has been he bought it for Hank - and thus gave it to him originally? Fact is that Hank eventually preferred the tone of the rosewood board Strats once he got his hands on them (mellow and deeper sounding) and in any case 34346 suffered from string rattle issues - hence the paper stuffed in the string ends.


Hi, Don.

It is well-established that the original Strat was only on long-term loan to Hank and that it was returned when Jennings presented The Shadows with a full set of loan guitars in red (whichever red it was) with the rosewood necks, etc.
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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby MMStingray54 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:21 pm

Thanks Jim - good to hear from you btw - I hope you're keeping well.

The issue with the string rattle and paper is mentioned, IIRC, in Mo Foster's book. Indeed, whatever colour they were (that goes for all them including 34346 - predates fiesta i believe?)!!!
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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby GoldenStreet » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:56 am

RUSSET wrote:
Hi Bill,
I understand that Bruce (or maybe the Management) sold the Jazzmaster on to the Lead guitarist of The Hunters, Brian Parker, from Cheshunt (rings a bell) who had success with their instrumental 'The Storm' . He is visible with a Sunburst Jazzmaster on their EP cover. They were the backing band for Dave Sampson, as the Shads were for Cliff.
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Tony,

Yes, you are right about the origins of Brian Parker, who was a member of CR's first group, the Dick Teague Skiffle Group and a friend from Cheshunt Secondary School who, after Dave Sampson and the Hunters (and the Parker Royal Five), was a founder member of Unit Four Plus Two of Concrete and Clay fame.

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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby Teflon » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:06 am

Interesting!! I had no idea that Brian Parker was in the Dick Teague group, nor that he hailed from Cheshunt and was a school friend of Cliffs. Little insights like this are just one of the reasons why I love this site :D

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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby Didier » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:18 am

JimN wrote:
Didier wrote:When I saw the Shadows at the Paris Olympia in 1961, Bruce was playing a silmilar Tele, I saw it with my own eyes, while Hank was playing the red Strat and Jet a sunburst PB. All had unmiked Vox AC30.

Didier


We have spoken of this before, Didier.

I seem to remember that you said it was late in the year, about November. If I have recalled that correctly, it would make it 1960 rather than 1961. By November 1961, all sorts of changes had occurred.

Right Jim, it could have been end 1960 rather than early 1961. Hank and Bruce received their rosewood neck Strats around march or april 1961, which was a major change !

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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby Didier » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:25 am

JimN wrote:
MMStingray54 wrote:It's a very funny sketch in my view. But I never understand why people say this about 'Cliff's guitar' - my understanding has been he bought it for Hank - and thus gave it to him originally? Fact is that Hank eventually preferred the tone of the rosewood board Strats once he got his hands on them (mellow and deeper sounding) and in any case 34346 suffered from string rattle issues - hence the paper stuffed in the string ends.


Hi, Don.

It is well-established that the original Strat was only on long-term loan to Hank and that it was returned when Jennings presented The Shadows with a full set of loan guitars in red (whichever red it was) with the rosewood necks, etc.

Here is what Hank said in an interview for a french magazine (translated by me) :

The (import) ban had just been removed, and people at Vox got an exclusive import contract for Fender products. The first packages contained some Precision Bass, some Stratocaster and Telecaster. This is why Bruce was shot with a Telecaster and Jet with a Precision Bass to promote the Fender range. Meanwhile two stratocaster and one Precision Bass were specially painted in fiesta red for us so we would all have a guitar of the same colour. We got them a few days later. So I gave back to Cliff my first Strat which wasn't really mine.

BTW, the interviewer was no one else than guitarist Marcel Dadi, one of the best European finger picking specialist who died in the crash of flight TWA 800 in 1996, when coming back from Nasville where he was just introduced to the Country Music Hall of Fame.

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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby abstamaria » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:42 am

All very interesting. Thank you, all.

I didn’t know or had forgotten that the matching red guitars had been tesprayed that by Vox. I wonder where they are?

Before the matching guitars, what did Bruce use on stage? Hank of course used 34346 and Jet I think a sunburst PBass.

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Re: Cliff plays Apache

Postby Didier » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:14 am

abstamaria wrote:Before the matching guitars, what did Bruce use on stage? Hank of course used 34346 and Jet I think a sunburst PBass.

He can be seen on several videos playing a Jazzmaster.

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